Forum - Feedback - Various issues - Messages http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Forum - Feedback - Various issues - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:54:49 GMT Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:54:49 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from ziggy72

There isn't a 'what she said' smiley, so you'll just have to imagine it

Fine tuning is what we really would like - personally, I like the idea of the mouth shapes available to replace the dialogue action blocks (on a right click) but I'd settle for just being able to see the blocks.]]> Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:54:49 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from urbanlamb
If we need more vowels we can always put in an extra long sound clip to generate them at the end of our dialogue so that we have more to work with. Or if you want to get fancy click the vowel and bring up a menu containing the vowels and then click on the menu and replace the vowel with another one as its a finite unchanging set. I dont know what this automatic/manual is its not needed we simply would need to reveal the info as we do using the same filter system in place for everything else. The info in the system already exists and is generated for the dialogue line they just need to make it represented graphically.

and if muvizu wants to get really fancy while they are at it they can add tts option in the audio menu area with the record voice button or import audio clip button so that people can generate the info at that time, but really no matter how you slice it we should just need to turn on that line of info in the filter system below the soundfile and its there or not
edited by urbanlamb on 29/10/2013]]> Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:52:36 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13
Auto mode will be the same as it is now, but with movable links on the timeline as shown above.
'Manual mode' does exactly the same as auto, unless you want to take over and press the buttons. As soon as those buttons are released, it goes back to auto.]]> Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:58:00 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from urbanlamb ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:26:46 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 You could also use these for basic facial animation (hint hint Dreeko)
edited by MrDrWho13 on 28/10/2013]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:06:44 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:04:07 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from urbanlamb
anyhow we just need a way to change the movments that people use to this day in animation. So we would drag all those vowels to where we need em basically since this is an issue of misplaced vowels and consonants. That way people can mimic things which are hard to recognize in the system without muvizu making an entire animation around it. Whatever is done it should not force us into a fast and hard decision of doing all the work manually one movement at a time or doing it all automatically that is very rigid and unforgiving.

]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:42:08 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:20:57 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from urbanlamb MrDrWho13 wrote:
Part 1:



i dont think that manual is appropriate in any sense and i dont know why muvizu should create a second system on top of their existing system of recognition.

all they need to do is make the internal system already there visible and we can then edit it this means that people are still limited into completely automated or completely manual. All they need to do is add a toggle to turn on the data that already exists and allow us to change it. We either hide it or use it

Even if they added a TTS system there is not need for a truly manual operation let muvizu do its guessing and we simply edit that work that is how most softwares work why would we remove this automated ability? just turn it on in the timeline below the wavefile and allow us to edit that information by clicking on it and changing the mouth shape or dragging the existing shape to where we need it
edited by urbanlamb on 28/10/2013]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:57:33 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:51:08 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:22:59 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from primaveranz fazz68 wrote:


the avengers is a pre recorded radio show from the 70's i have been turning into a serial so there is no script to cut and paste just a gazzion spoken words on an audio file and turning it into a readable script would take me forever to do, so the current muvizu way is perfect for what i need.


I feel your pain. I just spent many months producing an animated version of a 30 minute radio show, and it was in Bislama not English. So the optional implementation that MrDrWho13 suggests is the one I would support. ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:14:44 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from fazz68 primaveranz wrote:
fazz68 wrote:
typing in an avengers soundtrack phonetically would be a nightmare .



It's really not a big deal to cut and paste if you have already written it in something like Celtx or Word. . And you only need the Phonetic bit for 'unusual' languages depending on the software.
edited by primaveranz on 28/10/2013


the avengers is a pre recorded radio show from the 70's i have been turning into a serial so there is no script to cut and paste just a gazzion spoken words on an audio file and turning it into a readable script would take me forever to do, so the current muvizu way is perfect for what i need. ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:06:06 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from primaveranz MrDrWho13 wrote:
Perhaps the option to either have automatic lip sync or choose the mouth shape?


Yeah, I'd prefer that.]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:15:53 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from primaveranz fazz68 wrote:
typing in an avengers soundtrack phonetically would be a nightmare .



It's really not a big deal to cut and paste if you have already written it in something like Celtx or Word. . And you only need the Phonetic bit for 'unusual' languages depending on the software.
edited by primaveranz on 28/10/2013]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:57:57 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from urbanlamb MrDrWho13 wrote:
Perhaps the option to either have automatic lip sync or choose the mouth shape?



the best one I have seen is the system that does both. (iclone again) it does it automatically but generates the mouth shapes in a timeline below the sound clip. You then can go in into that line and clean it up to make it more accurate. I dont want a fully manual process this makes little sense the process should be automated to some degree regardless. Muvizu works on the same principle as its using the soundfile to choose something close to the shape it should be but it makes mistakes being a piece of software it isn't always right in deciding these things soo being able to edit this layer would be beneficial unfortunately I dont think this is "muvizu like" this is iclone like and I think other things are more needed then the odd missed sound in the track and want them to spend time on that and leave that on a todo list for when everything else is done for example improving the prop system they just introduced which from the feedback thread looks like its not actually working that well yet. Perhaps in the future they can add a track below the soundfile to reveal the information muvizu is already detecting and allowing us to tweek it, but this seems like something that would go into the pro paid version not the free version.]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:03:16 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:15:21 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from fazz68 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:29:59 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from Mike_Num_5
Thanks for the input guys! ]]> Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:44:01 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:48:36 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from primaveranz MrDrWho13 wrote:
Do you mean text to speech?

Definitely not, TTS is unremittingly awful!

I mean something like Moviestorm's ability where you can improve the actual facial movements during speech by typing in the words to help the engine identify the sounds it is trying to mimic. E.g. I often have to use a foreign language which the engine doesn't recognise, but by typing in the phonetic equivalent the mouth shape is improved. Perhaps though, Muvizu's facial movements are limited to just opening and closing the mouth? In which case my suggestion is pointless.]]> Sun, 27 Oct 2013 22:32:59 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:52:24 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic3133-various-issues.aspx Message from primaveranz Sun, 27 Oct 2013 19:49:42 GMT