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20/11/2013 02:52:51

percensus
percensus
Posts: 34 		Hi Guys
What's Muvizu's policy on Youtube's Content ID policy,...???
Cause I just created my first movie with Muvizu and uploaded it to youtube,..
however,.. I used an excisting song and because of the Content ID policy,
Youtube automaticly puts an add over the movie to benefit the soundtrack owners.
Does that count as commercial use,..??
regards
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20/11/2013 04:01:02

LugofilmLtd
LugofilmLtd
Posts: 74 		It shouldn't. They did the same thing to my Avenue Q video, but it still showed up in the gallery here. That is a good question, though. Can we get some clarification on this?
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20/11/2013 12:04:40

IanSExperimental userMuvizu staff
IanS
Posts: 139 		Hi

Our software automatically pulls in any videos to the gallery that have been uploaded through this website. If YouTube have blocked the video for whatever reason - such as the content ID thing - then we're unable to show it. It happens automatically, actually, we can't embed any blocked videos.

Ian
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20/11/2013 16:34:14

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		An advert that you did not put on the video yourself, does not count. However, adding one either through editing or youtube monetisation, is commercial use.
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20/11/2013 16:34:52

percensus
percensus
Posts: 34 		Hi
Thanks for the responce,..
I didn't even realize we could upload videos thru the Muvizu website,.. so I uploaded directly to youtube.
But its not that the movie got blocked, I'm just not shure about the add youtube put in for using an excisting/ copyrighted soundtrack.
Cause I believe I read somewhere that you needed to purchase Play+ if you want to show adds.
(Even tho its not actually my add and I'm not getting anythings from it, it all goes to the soundtracks owner)


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20/11/2013 16:52:54

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		You need to purchase play+ to remove the watermark giving you the legal ability to add your own adverts. The one YouTube adds automatically does not count as your own advert.
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20/11/2013 17:00:49

percensus
percensus
Posts: 34 		Hi

I see I missed your previous post by seconds,..
But thanks for clearing this up,..

regards
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20/11/2013 17:30:55

LugofilmLtd
LugofilmLtd
Posts: 74 		Yeah, thanks. I actually didn't figure out until last night that you have to upload via this site if you want your stuff in the gallery, which is why my other two videos aren't here. I uploaded them to youtube directly. Live and learn. Just playing around with the different settings, character options, etc. is giving me tons of ideas for both original shorts and ones based on preexisting stuff so it's good to have a guideline to follow. As near as I can figure it, youtube only flags music that was commercially released so, for example, my Avenue Q video got flagged (they apparently felt the need to block it in Germany, and ONLY Germany. Weird), but Quick Bits 1 didn't because the song was from a TV cartoon. As long as you're not putting ads on your videos or trying to make money off it in any way, I don't see why it should make a difference, but the copyright Nazis tend to be jerks about this, so we're just gonna have to deal with it 'til the younger generation can get some seats in congress and reform copyright law (which it SERIOUSLY friggin' needs).

EDIT: To clarify, I don't think that copyright should be done away with altogether, but I do think it should be rolled back to the original 28-year maximum, after which stuff would go into the public domain, and that such a rollback should be applied retroactively (so, for example, if it happened this year, everything from 1985 and before would be fair game).
edited by LugofilmLtd on 20/11/2013
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20/11/2013 17:39:11

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		Germany has stricter copyright laws.
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20/11/2013 18:10:59

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		German laws dont play well with the rest of the world copyright is getting longer and longer its true however I do think that 28 years was too short. If your alive and its your original work I think you should be protected so the 70 year law seemed fair to me. Dont mix content ID up with copyright though lol it really doesn't do that job really well. Its an attempt at automating a process to detect stuff being used without permission and this is the key "without permission". Its possible to use copyrighted work if you do the work involved to get the permission. The content ID system is merely there to try to find works used that are not used with permission that is all. It doesn't do a very good job because its a piece of software and it can't think.

Anyhow with relation to muvizu if they video is not blocked and there are a ton of reasons why it could be blocked not just country of the copyright holder then they allow it. Personally I hate seeing people use stuff without asking its just common courtesy especially now there is so much public domain/creative commons stuff there is very little reason to use things. The only situation I can think of is more visual and its more about fan art then making money. Anyhow all the content id system does is sniff out stuff that the artist has a right to (well if its working correctly) and give him the right to make money off his original work. Of course there are all sorts of scam societies and people trying to make a fast buck on top of the fact this software is far from perfect. So that is why its a bit of a nightmare. Audiosocket has implemented a new system to make content work on youtube more effectively (avoids false matches) and I am sure other companies will be doing something eventually as well.
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20/11/2013 19:21:34

LugofilmLtd
LugofilmLtd
Posts: 74 		urbanlamb wrote:
The only situation I can think of is more visual and its more about fan art then making money.


Right. That's what I was doing with Avenue Q. I keep hoping someone will turn that show into a movie, so I was trying to visualize what that might be like. Even after I upgrade to Play+ (which I plan on doing eventually), I probably won't ever monetize my youtube channel because I want to be able to make fanfilms alongside my original stuff without getting into any trouble. And even if the length of the copyright terms don't change, at the very least it needs to be made so that it only counts as infringement if you're trying to make money off of someone else's work (which is what the term piracy actually means, despite what the lawyers want people to believe). For example, if I were to make a Superman cartoon with no intention of trying to profit from it, I should be allowed to use John Williams' score as long as the project is just for fun. Conversely, if I were trying to sell it, WB would have every right to knock on my door because they own the rights to the character and everything that goes with it.

As it happens, I have bookmarked several sites with public domain/creative commons music and I actually am planning to just use that unless I need to use a specific piece of music for the sake of a joke (which is generally allowed under the parody clause) because a lot of it is every bit as good as commercial music and I don't have to worry about lawsuits. For those interested, I recommend incompetech.com and dig.ccmixter.org.
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23/12/2013 18:25:58

urbanlamb
urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		LugofilmLtd wrote:


As it happens, I have bookmarked several sites with public domain/creative commons music and I actually am planning to just use that unless I need to use a specific piece of music for the sake of a joke (which is generally allowed under the parody clause) because a lot of it is every bit as good as commercial music and I don't have to worry about lawsuits. For those interested, I recommend incompetech.com and dig.ccmixter.org.




if you use video from these sites they will still be identified under the content id system especially incompetech. If you are trying to remove this issue you must email incompetech and the artists on ccmixter and ask them to 'white list' you then they will clear up the content id issue. (although this whitelist request system may have changed) http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/youtubeFAQ.html

I dont use incompetech music anymore i use from partner in rhyme or from a network i joined but even then there can be problems. Youtube is a bit of a paperwork nightmare and its best to get claims off videos because one day they can turn around and make it a strike and that means you can loose your youtube account. Basically using 3rd party music and sound is not for the feint of heart and creators are stuck in the middle of the legal quagmire and it aint gonna be going away anytime soon. Everyone sues google for everything because they have lots of money so if they breath sideways they get sued. If you look up their legal stuff you will find they have at least 2 or 3 court actions against them like all the time. Unfortunately that makes it hard for users and their content id bot is far from perfect.

http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/contentid.html
edited by urbanlamb on 23/12/2013
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